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Phidippides
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It seems like the rhetoric is ratcheting up really quickly.  If we project where this is going, it is going to erupt in violence at some point in the near future.  Hard to say what that would entail, which side would start it, or how big it would be.  

One thing is for sure - conservatives really ought to be planning out a post-United State of America.  They honestly should have been doing it for years, since the coming split was predicable, even if undesirable.  We need to plan out potential geographic splits, essential resources, access to ports, etc. 


   
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More nonsense from a washed up never was...
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1567290634729398272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1567290634729398272%7Ctwgr%5E5fe20f05647486dbe58cb9b852c58cbc75a0eb65%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage5226109%2Fpg1

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Donald Baker
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The Hill: Can Civil War happen again?.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3647063-can-civil-war-happen-again/

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Phidippides
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I read the article hoping that it would be more intellectually honest.  Instead, it reinforced the very problem that we're facing - people claiming to speak objectively while pushing a partisan political view.  The article framed all of the potential for violence on the political right, and completely omitted the Summer of Love riots which were the most expensive in American history, or any of the other riots that took place while Trump was in office.  If he is elected again, it could just as well be violence from the left against the Trump government, yet the thought of that wasn't even considered in the article.

Why can't we have "experts" who actually engage in objective analyses?  It shouldn't be that hard to do.


   
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Donald Baker
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The goal is to provoke; not inform.😒

We cannot take the bait.

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Phidippides
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Posted by: @donaldbaker

The goal is to provoke; not inform.😒

We cannot take the bait.

Ok, so now that I have settled down and am able to set aside the partisan views of the article, I think the general thesis is correct.  A full-scale continental civil war does not seem likely.  However, this leads to two alternatives that I have concluded could happen.

The first alternative is that America splits amicably.  Also known as the "Great Divorce" or "National Divorce", this would entail the two sides agreeing to forgo violence and simply take separate paths.  Many people's lives - in the U.S. and around the world - would be shattered by this because of the economic ramifications of such a split.  It would change the way the world operated because there would no longer be a supreme superpower, CIA activities would likely scale back greatly, and foreign aid to nations would start to dry up.  I think that some violence would probably erupt domestically even if this were chosen, even if on a small scale.  There would simply be too much tension surrounding property, access rights, and so forth.

The second alternative is that America remains united on paper, but in reality it operates as a police state with stricter and stricter government controls.  Democracy would be replaced with authoritarianism, which would require modifications to the U.S. Constitution.  I can't really see this scenario playing out very realistically with a conservative government in control.  I think ideologically, it's really only a leftist government that would be able to exist as an authoritarian regime.  Some may argue that the left is already planting the seeds of such a regime right now.

Any way, it seems the long-term future of the United States is looking quite bad.


   
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America is on borrowed time.  I have already accepted this.  I feel sorry for the younger generations who are not equipped to deal with what is coming.

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https://usaherald.com/political-polarization-may-bring-it-all-to-an-end-says-bill-gates/

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Donald Baker
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Media keeps harping on this.

https://dnyuz.com/2022/10/05/talk-of-civil-war-ignited-by-mar-a-lago-search-is-flaring-online/

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